OK, so Seth posts an item in which he cites an Arizona church having spent $16,000 a year on Krispy Kreme donuts. He calls this marketing, and I think he's right.
My question is, if Seth's right, and all marketers are liars, then what lie is this church telling? Let's see if we can figure it out.
The donuts are part of the overall trend, noted in the cover story of tomorrow's today's (sub. req'd) New York Times Magazine, for "megachurches" to become the new social hub of "exurban" communities. The article features Lee McFarland, the pastor of a church called "Radiant," in Sunrise, Arizona. McFarland, a former Microsoft employee, initially approached he new congregational "territory" in a convential manner: he dressed himself up in "business casual" attire and tried talking with people about their families, asking them how they spent their free time, trying to get a sense of what was missing in their lives.
According to the article, people were "barely civil." The market wasn't buying.
McFarland tried another approach. He put on jeans and a T-shirt and went out and started asking people two questions: "What's your favorite radio station?" and "Why do you think people don't go to church?" What he learned was that people listened to rock music and didn't go to church 'cause they didn't have any fancy clothes, didn't like being asked for money and didn't see how the sermons they heard related to their lives.
So, the pastor started a direct mail campaign in which he told potential congregation members,
You think church is boring and judgmental, and that all they want is your money? At Radiant [the name of the new church] you'll hear a rockin' band and a positive, relevant message. Come as you are. We won't beg for your money. Your kids will love it.
I say, brilliant. But, is it a lie?
Well, it's certainly a story. A story that the marketer tells that he knows the prospect wants to believe. A story that goes: "This is a place where you can come and be yourself. Your clothes and your music are OK here. You're OK here. Your kids won't think you're weird for coming here. You'll probably meet other folks here who are a lot like you. There won't be any scary stuff here. We're regular people, not fanatics."
"And, we'll even serve Krispy Kremes. Hey, we know you, and we know what you like!"
"We want the church to look like a mall," McFarland said.
The fact is, we're all looking for meaning today, just like we always have. Here's a pastor who understands his customer: people who live in the "sticks," a little isolated, and longing for connections; people who need a place to form communties with others like themselves. People who are scared stiff about the kinds of things they see and hear every day.
If someone tells those people a story that they've built a that can be the kind of place they're looking for, and then backs it up with consistent performance on that promise, is it any wonder Radiant's attendance will be around 15,000 this weekend?
Liar? Well, maybe, but if so, then this is the kind of lie that the term "white lie" was invented for.
UPDATE: Doc references this post in which faithcommons takes the opening section of Cluetrain and substitutes the words "church" for "company" and "Christian" or "member" for "employee." "Churches are conversations" is certainly a re-framing of the story churches have been telling up to now.



Any chance that theres a Krispy Kreme outlet somewhere out there that has spent $16,000. on religious services,it could have been a good bartering scenario.
Posted by: Rick Godin | March 27, 2005 at 12:55 AM
Tom: Good line of questioning.
In improv language, we could think of the rock and the donuts as offers. It's them up to us whether to accept or block. By our actions we help influence the story. The meaning making is a collaboration.
Another related thought. Sometimes we have to perform ourselves into new territory. When a toddler toddles and falls we don't call that a lie, we recognise it as an attempt to become a walker.
But I don't want to frame this as a licence to marketin folks to sell us any old baloney!
Posted by: Johnnie Moore | March 27, 2005 at 03:30 AM
Thanks for the link.
It really is the conversation that counts. Jesus did it. He talked with people, ate with them and evidently partied with them.
That 15,000 people would show up for donuts doesn't surprise me. The real question is: would they go just to be with each other? Is there any conversation there? If they just sit down, get entertained, fed and then leave, they should just get the DVD.
bill
Posted by: bill | March 28, 2005 at 04:11 PM
The pastor of Radiant Church used Rick Warren's methods for church growth. BTW, The Purpose Driven Church by Warren is really great business & marketing book - it's not just about church growth. A lot of it is about listening - to your own call and to your potential "customers" or members. People want to be heard.
The NYT article is worth a read. Small groups are often the entry way into a church, for instance. These groups bond the members to each other and also are a welcoming non-pressure way to get new members to check out one aspect of a church. It's certainly not just about getting fed donuts - people are looking for much more than that. It really relates to a lot of why blogs are popular.
My fav quotes from article:
"Most Christians who say they have been changed by their church attribute it not to their pastors' sermons but to their small groups, where people can share, in the words of Dave Travis, who runs the megachurch consultancy, ''their deepest hopes and hurts.'' This was, after all, the model of Jesus and his disciples: What I've done with you, you now do with other people."
The pastor speaking:
''People aren't looking for the elevated holy man who's got all of the answers,'' he told me one afternoon. ''They want someone to be real with them.''
Posted by: Evelyn Rodriguez | March 29, 2005 at 04:34 AM
It is difficult to take your posting seriously when some of the basic facts in your blog are incorrect. Radiant Church is located in Surprise Arizona, not Sunrise.
Posted by: Walter Sefton | December 30, 2005 at 04:33 PM